. >> rose: we continue with a conversation with leon wieseltier. >> every time the argument goes back to the question of rights, the discussion shuts down. the beauty of the partition idea or the territory idea of the two state idea of the terrorist for peace idea is it suspends the argument for right because both people have the same right to the same land. no such thing as having a right to half of something. so the only way to proceed, and the ancient rabbis knew about

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. >> rose: we continue this evening with part 2 of my conversation with leon wieseltier. >> i am so sick of media and i am so sick of the media on the media, and i am so sick about of the self glorification of media. i mean most media talk is really -- business talk disguised as culture talk, it is not about media, it is about real journal litsch, real argument, real critical discourse and if you put it on paper or online or if you use a piece of charcoal to put it on the side of a rock that is the less interesting. >> rose: the contribution is -- >> it is what it is, it is what it is and that is what the fight was about and that's what my heartbreak was about. it is about what it is. >> rose: we conclude this evening with juliano salgado. >> the travels, that gets to grow up, learning a lot about the world and really open, but it is also the ideation between fact and audience whoever is going to read the newspaper, see those photos is going to see the world through his eyes and somehow is shaping, you know, the vision or the understanding you have from a fact. that is really interesting

the debate intensifies and joined by leon wieseltier, ann-marie slaughter and david sanger and look at issues around the world with tina brown, deanna powell and zainab selbi and there's a film about ray kurzweil about the transcend gentleman and we'll look at that at another date and we'll look at libya and women in 2011 coming up next. but this isn't just a hollywood storyline. it's happening every day, all across america. every time a storefront opens. or the midnight oil is burned. or when someone chases a dream, not just a dollar. they are small business owners. so if you wanna root for a real hero, support small business. shop small. additional funding provided by these funders: captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: it is a decision that every modern american president must face, whether and how to intervene as libya spirals into a bloody civil war the debate ins tensefide this week and there was a bipartisan support for a no-fly zone with some senators saying the risk of waiting outweigh early action and

please well come leon wieseltier!nd applause) thank you so so much for being here. >> my pleasure. >> stephen: for those who may not know, you are a writer, critic, philosopher and long time editor of "the new republic." insurrections of the mind, 100 years of politics and culture in america. what does it mean to be a cultural critic? do you have a critique of our present culture? >> oh, i do, yes. i do. it's a very elaborate one. yes. so -- >> stephen: ten words or less. ten words or less -- too much digital, not enough critical thinking, more physical reality. >> stephen: damn! so you're one of them literary types. >> mm-hmm (laughter) >> stephen: the magazine was founded 100 years ago. the beginning to have the progressive era. >> it was. >> stephen: what's the difference between a progressive and what we think of as a liberal today. >> sometimes they get confused and limped together. the progressives are more to the left of us. >> stephen: of you? to the left of your hair? >> actually, way to the left. this is cen

as leon wieseltier once said, "it's easier to believe that change doesn't happen than to acknowe that it happens slowly." so it's not going to be a magic wand, but i think we're talking about a years-long pushback. but, then again, to the extent that all of this took such a sharp uptick recently, there was a reason. i think that we need to always remember that anything that appalled us over the past year and change happened over zoom. the things happening in those newsrooms, the defenestration, the firings, an awful lot happened because of this bizarre thing that we're all in our pajamas, interaing on a laptop. i think that once we end up back in real rooms, having hallway conversations, a lot of this recreational nastiness will be less attractive to a great many people, and communal decisions to do horrible things to innocent people for symbolic reasons will seem less attractive because you're looking at them right in front of you and you can see that they are as good a person as you. we lost that with these devices. >> your recent book, which i thoroughly enjoyed, "nine nasty words,

absolutely i think that the best summary i've read this week is from leon wieseltier in the new republic who says that the iraq war began wrongly but ended rightly and i think that's where we're at and i'm not recommending that we do anything like this again invading iraq was like drawing to an inside straight in poker or hitting seventeen or eighteen in blackjack just because it works out for you doesn't mean it was a good idea and doesn't mean you should do it again but iraq today is a parliamentary democracy its economy is recovering it has a very serious terrorism problem it has a capacity problem in terms of you know human capital and making its institutions work. but given its history of being under dictatorship having a bloody war with its neighbor then being under ten years of u.s. sanctions and then another almost ten years of civil war and occupation they're actually doing remarkably well today there are resilient people ok jeff jump in resilient people and it's a democracy in iraq it's interesting go ahead. yeah i just love the fact that anyone can paint what's happening in ir

. ♪ we continue now with my conversation with leon wieseltier.e talked about israel and the future of the two state solution. he was at the "new republic." he was the man who gave the magazine its cultural heart. he left the magazine. he is now at the brookings institution and also the atlantic magazine. i begin and ask him a point i asked chris hughes when he was here about a month ago, what happened? leon: what happened was the owners of the "new republic" decided to take the magazine in a direction he believed was necessary for its survival and i believe destroyed it. that is what happened. that is what happened. charlie: explain to me, and then i will have a clip from him, explain what the difference in where he wanted to take it and where you wanted it to be. leon: as far as i understand it, he was overwhelmingly concerned for commercial reasons with the transposition of what we did to certain new technologies especially mobile. everybody has an obsession with mobile. charlie: some say you have to have an obsession to survive. >> leon: my vi

this comes after one of the new republic's most prominent longtime editors, leon wieseltier, , was also fired ovr sexual harassment allegations . he was fired from his job with the emerson collective, where he was slated to unveil a new magazine. meanwhile, two top staff members at seiu, the service employees international union, have been ousted over sexual harassment allegations. one of the national leaders, kekeall fells,s, has resigned; d detroit leader mark raleigh has been fired. billionaire investor and trump donor robert mercer is stepping down as head of his company, renaissance technologies, after a buzzfeed expose revealed the connections between the mercer-funded news outlet breitbart media and white nationalists and neo-nazis. the buzzfeed report revealed how breitbart's former tech editor, milo yiannopoulos, had collaborated closely with white nationalists to generate story ideas and even to edit the website's articles. in his letter, mercer tried to distance himself from yiannopoulos, as well as from steve bannon, breitbart's longtime head who also served as trump's forme

i heard leon wieseltier, describe many years ago as comparative climatology. there is ranking system for crimes against humanity. there are no scales by which to weigh the worth of -- sent by rail to the gas chambers versus africans sent by sea into oblivion. in thinking about history, differences are always salient than commonalities. one difference is that for some fraction of the victims of the nazi reparations, calculating the value of homes lost businesses, artworks stolen. whereas the victims of slavery by definition own nothing, including themselves. slave, moreover, had incentive to keep their human chattel alive, whereas the nazi murderers assessed their success by the efficiency of the killing. yet these two crimes hideously as they were rooted in distinctive traditions of bigotry and hate, one committed largely of public sight. the other carried out openly while masquerade, eating as a form of benevolence. confront us with a common question. once the horrors stopped. what these societies owe to the survive horrors and their posterity. in the wake of

and leon wieseltier, who needs no introduction whatsoever, who will take the discussion to an even higher comblectual level which we've -- intellectual level which we've reached so far. so the challenge is yours. anne-marie, let's start with you. no one is disputing the scale of the problem, both humanitarian and national secretary. anne-marie: you've asked us to focus on osolutions and my designated job often is to be provide ideas that are not on the current table. in my opening remarks, last one i said we need to start thinking about refugees as an opportunity. actually my 19-year-old son texted me earlier this morning and said, mom, you know, why aren't refugees the answer to greece's problems? and only an 19-year-old who is not sufficiently steeped in the cynicism of politics -- although my husband has done his level act to make sure he's steeped into cynical politics but his point was, here you have greece. you have a country that has all sorts of economic problems. many of those demographic in the sense of not having the kind of economy that is needed. indeed, that's true throughou

with bob kagan and leon wieseltier on why the u.n.should be doing more and syria. >> thank you, elise and the institute. senator john mccain is a national hero not only for his service but for the work in the senate for all these years and we are grateful to him. i just used up some of my time, but it's worth it. let me stipulate first fall. we cannot involve ourselves unfortunately even when there are humanitarian crises we cannot always and limitations on the capabilities and resources and attention. the question really is does syria rise to the level that does require a were attention. the involvement in the various difficulties are around the world we usually become involved not necessarily just for humanitarian reasons, sometimes for strategic reasons but very frequently when humanitarian issues and strategic issues strategic interests converge and syria is unquestionably a place where humanitarian issues and strategic interests do converge. i don't have to repeat of the humanitarian crisis that we are witnessing in syria because

has warned planned syria arms sale, and finally a piece by leon wieseltier that i >> in a few moments, the first congressional hearing looking into the bombings of the boston marathon. air force officials make their budget request on capitol hill and face questions on a sexual abuse reports. on a that, a house debate bill that would set debt priorities requiring the and at arst, bobby jindal fundraiser. that is live. coverage continues on 8:00 when rand paul speaks at the lincoln day dinner. >> post on 11, a lot more people cared about nasa security -- national security issues than was the case before. all of a sudden there was market for former cia folks. even former national security

has warned planned syria arms sale, and finally a piece by leon wieseltier that is in "the new republic" the presiding officer: without objection. mr. mccain: i thank my colleagues. i yield. the presiding officer: morning business is closed. under the previous order, the senate will resume consideration of s. 601 which the clerk will report. the clerk: calendar number 44, 601, a bill to provide for conservation and development of water and related resources and so forth and for other purposes. mrs. boxer: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from california. mrs. boxer: mr. president, for the interest of all senators, i want to thank everyone for cooperating with us. we have handled a number of amendments, one quite controversial and nongermane but we dealt with it. it's not on this bill. i'm happy to say we're trying to keep this bill, a water infrastructure bill. there may be a few exceptions, but for the most part, that's what we want because it will increase the chances of passage all the way through to get it to the president's desk. the bill we are dealing with, the w

and we thank their friend and our friend, leon wieseltier, the literary editor of "the new republic" for leading us in a conversation that i can absolutely guarantee you will greatly enrich the u.s.-israel dialogue that is something of the sublime foremast done so much to go over these past ages. so without i will ask david and leon to come on up and talk a bit to each other and with us. [applause] >> good evening. strobe is right. they are said before you two men who are not strategists or generals or spymasters or politicians or foreign policy analysts, but as you can tell from the fact that we are not wearing ties we are to humanis humanists. and unlikely, there are many people who can't imagine that there is a literary, perspective, or literature can cast light upon some of the hardest and most excruciating decisions that policymakers have to make him especially in this context. but we're going to premise our conversation tonight on the us on to that, in fact, there is some light that a literary standpoint or an imagined standpoint contest on the subject that we been talking abou